I'd have to whole-heartedly agree. We saw a lot more interest in training when there were a few courses listed on the main page (those few being the ones that we would tend to get the most calls about). With the shift to not showing any courses on the main page (due to event spam of sorts), the interest has really waned (though its difficult to determine if this is due to economic factors as opposed to page changing, I think it has to do a little with both).On Wednesday 28 May 2008 18:11:19 Simon Riggs wrote:On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 10:58 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 19:47 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote:Robert Treat wrote:In an effort to give more visibility to the pugs, one idea that was floated around was replacing the training blurb on the main site with an "upcoming pugs" section, modeled after the upcoming events. The training blurb would then be changed to a direct link saying "looking for training?" (or similar) which would take you to the full training page. There are some logistical issues that would need to be worked out to make this happen, but before we go down that path, I wanted to get a general consensus on the idea. thoughts?Any way we can have both? I agree it's a good idea to get upcoming pugs, but I'd like to keep the training info somehow.I think it is a matter of deciding the purpose of the space. IMO .Org should be all about community, not all about advertising for commercial providers. That isn't to say we shouldn't help the people who help us (obviously) but it is to say that a PUG should come before CMD, EDB or any other commercial entity listed. That being said, we have a problem in that the front page is remarkably cluttered. It is trying to tell people entirely too much all at once. Something has to give if we are going to add PUGS. Training or Latest News seems the most appropriate.Yes, it is cluttered, so I think we should scroll down the page and make more space for ourselves. The community includes commercial people too. And the commercial people only exist because they are wanted and needed. The suggestion to have a list of PUGs over training could go the other way too. We could say "Want a PUG?". If they do, they'll click. That is of course fairly silly, but then so is "Want training?", which hides anything interesting and unusual and effectively kills it. If we do that I may as well pack up and just offer one course called "Training".See, to me the current training blurb is already devoid enough of content that I think it is only marginally better than a direct link pointing people towards the full training. Adding in a list of PUG meetings helps highlight the growing regional presence and international communities for postgres around the world. I feel this used to be accomplished by the training listing, but there was so much gamesmanship between the training companies that we had to mold it into it's current, less than exciting, format. I don't expect that gamesmanship from the PUGS.
I think a single link to training in a spot of its very own would provide a bit more visibility than being cluttered with some text and a link. Perhaps we can have some list of the number of events as well? Want training (22 events coming up!)?
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